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Title: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: FR3D on May 08, 2014, 07:12:45 am
Post anything that you think should have or be included in the next gen CubieBoard.
I only saw this in the homepage and its really exciting. Here are some of the features I hope it will have.
1. USB 3.0
2. SATA 3
3. Mic in as well as audio out. (dont know why they got rid of it)
4. have a basic bios as boot option to allow you to boot from sata, sd card or nand of your choice.
5. bigger rtc.
6. let you to edit and explore files when plug your board into the pc in android.
7. maybe some support with puttin windows as a OS.

Let me know if any features you think is a bit too much and share your idea of what you think would make the next gen board more useful.
 
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: ShPioN on May 08, 2014, 12:28:08 pm
5.1 analog audio output will be very useful
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: @lex on May 08, 2014, 03:15:33 pm
Dual HDMI output!
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: wantmymoneyback on May 08, 2014, 04:29:01 pm
I would love a Real Time Clock with battery, or instructions of what to buy and how to configure so that it works. I am already too tired of setting the time to almost use my Cubie 1.
But I really want either a quad core or an A57, 64 bit processor.
Any hope of 64 bits anytime soon? Any other source for a 64 bit development board?
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: FR3D on May 09, 2014, 01:38:23 am
I would love a Real Time Clock with battery, or instructions of what to buy and how to configure so that it works. I am already too tired of setting the time to almost use my Cubie 1.
But I really want either a quad core or an A57, 64 bit processor.
Any hope of 64 bits anytime soon? Any other source for a 64 bit development board?
I think the a80 is a 8core (4x a7 and 4x a15). Yea I do agree with the RTC I currently own a cubietruck and the battery size doesnt hold the time for long so hopefully they will upgrade that. A manual would also come in handy :)
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: Jojo on May 09, 2014, 05:06:19 am
I'm starting to doubt the philosophy of Cubietech. Of course, it is important to make improvements (like the upgrade from CB1 to CB2 for example). BUT:

Our community is still not very big. There are only a very few people who have the skills to develope things or share their distros with the rest of the "normal" members. Ikeeki has left (thanks for all!) and patwood has a lot of other things to do.

So, where the hell is the advantage to blast out one new board after another, when the OS developement process for the other boards is far away from being finished?! Don't you think that there is a reason, why there appear posts like "What is the best distro for..." or "Is it possible to..." almost every week?! There are so many questions in the forum which stay unanswered. The community is badly spread over different hardware with to many different OS.

What do you think people will do, when they see, that their boards are obselete one month after the bought it?! Do you think the will immediately by the newer one?! I don't think so. I will keep my "old" CB2.

I think I know the reason of success of boards like the RPi: it is ONE board, ONE community. Similar constellation for other boards. And even for other whole companies!

I can only speak for myself, but I feel some kind of fooled. It is already feelable, that the support for the CB1 and CB2 is running out. There is almost no compatibility between the boards, so if the developement process goes on for the newer boards (IF it goes on...) the older boards are obelete and the owners will be left behind.

I will NOT buy a CT or a CB4 or whatever. As long as my CB2 fulfills my needs, I will keep it.

Sorry for sharing my bad mood with you, but thats how it look like. If you don't agree, please show me a counter-example. Otherwhise I don't care  :-X .

Greetings
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: japeto on May 09, 2014, 08:09:53 am
I totally agree with you. My CB3 is very new and has barely left things for her when it appears to be supplanted.
I am very disgusted with the way that all this is taking.
Raspberry Pi will not pass this and it takes a long time unchanged.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: gustagi on May 09, 2014, 08:44:12 am
1.sata2 is enough for mini pc and one 2.5" hdd
2.hdmi , vga and dp (with adapter get another hdmi) is also enough
3.we need gpu driver for some xbmc
4.and good price
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: Lexter on May 09, 2014, 10:57:14 am
Most of all the small community there is, need to find their answers, so a organized forum would be nice.
Info is scattered all over. The information is there @ somewhere.

I think the board is great as it is. If you need more, there are plenty of options. I have several desktop computers, 5 laptops and a big as 27 iMac, but its the cubie that is most fun  ;D ;D

(sent from my CT) 8)
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: salutuj on May 09, 2014, 03:58:24 pm
1) USB 3.0
2) 8GB of RAM or more.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: gustagi on May 09, 2014, 04:19:56 pm
1) USB 3.0
2) 8GB of RAM or more.
why 8G ram and usb3?
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: FR3D on May 09, 2014, 10:25:53 pm
I'm starting to doubt the philosophy of Cubietech. Of course, it is important to make improvements (like the upgrade from CB1 to CB2 for example). BUT:

Our community is still not very big. There are only a very few people who have the skills to develope things or share their distros with the rest of the "normal" members. Ikeeki has left (thanks for all!) and patwood has a lot of other things to do.

So, where the hell is the advantage to blast out one new board after another, when the OS developement process for the other boards is far away from being finished?! Don't you think that there is a reason, why there appear posts like "What is the best distro for..." or "Is it possible to..." almost every week?! There are so many questions in the forum which stay unanswered. The community is badly spread over different hardware with to many different OS.

What do you think people will do, when they see, that their boards are obselete one month after the bought it?! Do you think the will immediately by the newer one?! I don't think so. I will keep my "old" CB2.

I think I know the reason of success of boards like the RPi: it is ONE board, ONE community. Similar constellation for other boards. And even for other whole companies!

I can only speak for myself, but I feel some kind of fooled. It is already feelable, that the support for the CB1 and CB2 is running out. There is almost no compatibility between the boards, so if the developement process goes on for the newer boards (IF it goes on...) the older boards are obelete and the owners will be left behind.

I will NOT buy a CT or a CB4 or whatever. As long as my CB2 fulfills my needs, I will keep it.

Sorry for sharing my bad mood with you, but thats how it look like. If you don't agree, please show me a counter-example. Otherwhise I don't care  :-X .

Greetings
yea I understand what you mean. Software would also neeed to be as good as hardware. One thing that I should of add is the software functions. It should be universal so it can be install on any Cubitech device and any drives (e.g ssd,nand or sd). We also need a software development team from cubitech. If that is what you mean.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: Oldman on May 16, 2014, 03:04:00 pm
I'm starting to doubt the philosophy of Cubietech. Of course, it is important to make improvements (like the upgrade from CB1 to CB2 for example). BUT:

Our community is still not very big. There are only a very few people who have the skills to develope things or share their distros with the rest of the "normal" members. Ikeeki has left (thanks for all!) and patwood has a lot of other things to do.

So, where the hell is the advantage to blast out one new board after another, when the OS developement process for the other boards is far away from being finished?! Don't you think that there is a reason, why there appear posts like "What is the best distro for..." or "Is it possible to..." almost every week?! There are so many questions in the forum which stay unanswered. The community is badly spread over different hardware with to many different OS.

What do you think people will do, when they see, that their boards are obselete one month after the bought it?! Do you think the will immediately by the newer one?! I don't think so. I will keep my "old" CB2.

I think I know the reason of success of boards like the RPi: it is ONE board, ONE community. Similar constellation for other boards. And even for other whole companies!

I can only speak for myself, but I feel some kind of fooled. It is already feelable, that the support for the CB1 and CB2 is running out. There is almost no compatibility between the boards, so if the developement process goes on for the newer boards (IF it goes on...) the older boards are obelete and the owners will be left behind.

I will NOT buy a CT or a CB4 or whatever. As long as my CB2 fulfills my needs, I will keep it.

Sorry for sharing my bad mood with you, but thats how it look like. If you don't agree, please show me a counter-example. Otherwhise I don't care  :-X .

Greetings
Yes, Yes, Yes

Greetings
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: Fuzzlix on May 17, 2014, 04:31:37 am
I own 2 CT. I try to get them up as a tiny desktop computer. At least i expect all hardware is working and well documented. This includes flawless documents in (at least) english. The chinese AX209 dokumentation does not fit those needs.
It seems, the CT never went throu a testing stage. No one figured out that is not possible to power off the CT by software as long a charged battery is attached. wifi/bt controller seems to have firmware issues. .. and so on.
Sometimes it looks for me, Cubietech used all the crappy hardware components, Allwinner cant sell to handy manufactors.
All this does not look promising for a A80 board.

Fuzzlix.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: pezi on May 17, 2014, 05:05:25 am
Our community is still not very big. There are only a very few people who have the skills to develope things or share their distros with the rest of the "normal" members. Ikeeki has left (thanks for all!) and patwood has a lot of other things to do.

So, where the hell is the advantage to blast out one new board after another, when the OS developement process for the other boards is far away from being finished?! Don't you think that there is a reason, why there appear posts like "What is the best distro for..." or "Is it possible to..." almost every week?! There are so many questions in the forum which stay unanswered. The community is badly spread over different hardware with to many different OS.


I fully agree with your point of view. I don't unterstand the Cubiebaord team and the company Allwinner behind this project. With the help of 2-3 full-time devloper most of the open problems (kernel development and graphic support) can be solved. Such a core development team can be the seed of a growing community. I read developing a complex SoC costs estimated between  10-60 million$. But there is no little money availabe for the fuel of a SoC - the SW.

Peter
 
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: ssvb on May 17, 2014, 04:16:43 pm
I can only speak for myself, but I feel some kind of fooled. It is already feelable, that the support for the CB1 and CB2 is running out. There is almost no compatibility between the boards, so if the developement process goes on for the newer boards (IF it goes on...) the older boards are obelete and the owners will be left behind.
Guys, just discover http://linux-sunxi.org (http://linux-sunxi.org). The http://linux-sunxi.org/Cubieboard status page says "The cubieboard is well represented within the main sunxi developer community and has excellent support both in u-boot as well as 3.4 and mainline kernels." The support for old hardware is only getting better. What are you not happy about?

If no A80 based board is released, then just Rockchip, Exynos and maybe Intel Atom boards are going to eat the lunch. The progress is unstoppable and the competition is very strong.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: lampra on May 17, 2014, 05:47:26 pm
Hi,
I agree with ssvb that "the progress is unstoppable".

Nevertheless i would be happy if:
1. I had bluetooth support for the onboard chip for cubietruck (at least a backport of the solution used in kernel 3.13 to patwoods kernel)
2. There were drivers or some other software solution for 1080 video playback for cubietruck
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: @lex on May 17, 2014, 06:04:11 pm
ssvb is right, Intel is preparing a Full Integrated Graphics for their SOC, exynos is already there with linux, rockchip is almost there.
Cubietech and allwinner should get serious with Full Integrated Graphics and release the beast, i will be there for sure.

Or you guys are still using your motorola flip phone?
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: ssvb on May 18, 2014, 01:59:02 am
Nevertheless i would be happy if:
1. I had bluetooth support for the onboard chip for cubietruck (at least a backport of the solution used in kernel 3.13 to patwoods kernel)
Please note that we only have the linux-sunxi 3.4 kernel and the mainline kernel that are fully supported and maintained. You can surely merge something into patwoods kernels, but a lot of people are going to miss these improvements and they are going to be lost in the long run. As for the bluetooth support, I personally have no use for it and don't know much about what could be wrong there.
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2. There were drivers or some other software solution for 1080 video playback for cubietruck
https://github.com/linux-sunxi/libvdpau-sunxi <- this works fine for me
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: lampra on May 18, 2014, 01:16:49 pm
@ ssvb
Thank you for your answer.
Please note that some people need bluetooth today, not after 1-2-3 years.
On top libvdpau-sunxi only decodes of h264, mpeg1 and mpeg2.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: ssvb on May 18, 2014, 01:49:56 pm
Please note that some people need bluetooth today, not after 1-2-3 years.
If they really urgently need bluetooth, then I believe they can buy and use a cheap USB bluetooth dongle. Or try the mainline kernel, where the cubietruck's built-in bluetooth is allegedly already supported: https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-sunxi@googlegroups.com/msg00218.html

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On top libvdpau-sunxi only decodes of h264, mpeg1 and mpeg2.
Which video format do you want to decode?
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: Jojo on May 19, 2014, 06:43:05 am
I can only speak for myself, but I feel some kind of fooled. It is already feelable, that the support for the CB1 and CB2 is running out. There is almost no compatibility between the boards, so if the developement process goes on for the newer boards (IF it goes on...) the older boards are obelete and the owners will be left behind.
Guys, just discover http://linux-sunxi.org (http://linux-sunxi.org). The http://linux-sunxi.org/Cubieboard status page says "The cubieboard is well represented within the main sunxi developer community and has excellent support both in u-boot as well as 3.4 and mainline kernels." The support for old hardware is only getting better. What are you not happy about?

If no A80 based board is released, then just Rockchip, Exynos and maybe Intel Atom boards are going to eat the lunch. The progress is unstoppable and the competition is very strong.

I do partial agree with you. As I already mentioned before, I of course understand that the HW developement process is going on and it would be a pitty, if there would be no improvements in the future.
But: what I mean is about the support in the community like here in the forum! OK, there is the sunxi-wiki. But when I am looking for information or if there are any questions, I would first have a look into the forum and NOT in the wiki (as there is no possibility to ask questions).

For me, there are two different processes:

Now I think about following (quite realistic) scenario: the community is founded and slowly growing based on the first boards (CB1 and CB2). Some few people are willing to do most of the SW developement.
Now another board (CT) is released. Yes, it is powerful, but also only very limited compatibel to the previous boards.
The developers now focus on the newer board (understandable). But what about the owners of the old ones?
Over time, new members join the community, but the will surely have the lates HW (why should the by old HW, if there is more powerful newer HW?). If there are also new developers they will surely do good work, but only for new HW, so old HW support gets lost over time. Ok, now you can say "This is normal." Yes it is. but not in such a short period of time and it is also contra-productive to found a living community on rapidly changing HW. FMPOV this is not possible.

Don't get me wrong, I know, that HW HAS to change over time and HAS to be improved. But looking at the "old" CB2 we are far away from reaching the limits of the board. There was (and still is) high potential for many demanding projects. Thats why people decided to buy these boards.
I strongly believe, that the very majority of the CT or CB4 owners will newer reach the limits of their boards. That makes me believe, that the would also go fine with a CB2 vor example. But afraight of the obsolescence they decide to buy the other boards, and that makes the SW support for the old ones die out.

We will see what the future brings.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: ssvb on May 19, 2014, 10:01:11 am
But: what I mean is about the support in the community like here in the forum! OK, there is the sunxi-wiki. But when I am looking for information or if there are any questions, I would first have a look into the forum and NOT in the wiki (as there is no possibility to ask questions).
http://linux-sunxi.org/Category:Community has all the information. Even if this particular forum is dying off in isolation from the rest of the linux-sunxi community, not many people really care. At least not the people who are doing actual work supporting the Allwinner based hardware.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: Jojo on May 19, 2014, 11:19:26 am
But: what I mean is about the support in the community like here in the forum! OK, there is the sunxi-wiki. But when I am looking for information or if there are any questions, I would first have a look into the forum and NOT in the wiki (as there is no possibility to ask questions).
http://linux-sunxi.org/Category:Community has all the information. Even if this particular forum is dying off in isolation from the rest of the linux-sunxi community, not many people really care. At least not the people who are doing actual work supporting the Allwinner based hardware.

I understand, but this particular forum is about particular hardware! linux-sunxi is a very big and of course a very good thing. But in the same way as it is more "general", it is naturally less specific. The problem I see is not about the whole sunxi family. It is just specific about the Cubieboards.
Lets say person A has a question regarding the schematic of the CB2. But person B owns a Olinuxino-board. Yes, the are all in the big linux-sunxi family. But person A's question is about a specific board and not about the architecture of the A20.

Of course, this is just an example, but maybe you understand what I mean.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: IvanYeung on May 20, 2014, 02:15:45 am
RPi is a good example. No powerful and n-cores cpu, no endless pins and i/o, no big ram, just provide a solid kernel and os is enough! Developers can then make useful application of the boards!

I think CB is lagging in kernel development, which is not everyone can do without strong hw and sw experiences.

for my next board, i will pick one with better original developer support.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: mcecilia on May 20, 2014, 02:57:33 am
Hello Sirs,
I also agree with the previous ones.
The software and support is the key point, all the other will be found in other boards. Also, opening Mali drivers for XBMC and others.
Thanks sirs
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: ssvb on May 20, 2014, 03:11:39 am
I understand, but this particular forum is about particular hardware! linux-sunxi is a very big and of course a very good thing. But in the same way as it is more "general", it is naturally less specific. The problem I see is not about the whole sunxi family. It is just specific about the Cubieboards.
Lets say person A has a question regarding the schematic of the CB2. But person B owns a Olinuxino-board. Yes, the are all in the big linux-sunxi family. But person A's question is about a specific board and not about the architecture of the A20.
What you say does not make much sense. It's kind of like asking about a solution for some generic software problem, but refusing to listen to other people unless their PC is exactly the same Dell model as yours :) Yes, some hardware related questions such as the schematic are indeed CB1/CB2/CT specific. But such questions are 1) very rare and 2) a lot of people in the linux-sunxi community have the same hardware and can help with this too (surprise, surprise).

All the Allwinner A20 based devices are using exactly the same kernel. You have no need to ask for a personalized support specifically for your board! All the differences between boards are entirely isolated in the fex files here (https://github.com/linux-sunxi/sunxi-boards/tree/master/sys_config/a20). These fex files are presented in a human readable text format and describe the hardware specific things (like the use of 100Mbit or Gbit ethernet, GPIO pins mapping, available USB ports, etc). The right fex file for your board is taken and converted into a machine readable script.bin file, which is just a binary representation of fex. If you are moving from one A20 board to another, you only need to replace the bootloader and the script.bin file on the SD card. The kernel and the OS remain the same.

If you compare the quality of Linux support for different ARM hardware, Allwinner A20 is one of the best.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: ssvb on May 20, 2014, 03:37:16 am
I think CB is lagging in kernel development
And this is based on what?

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for my next board, i will pick one with better original developer support.
I'm afraid that you are going to have a much worse experience with your next board. Unless you abandon ARM and go x86, or stick with the under-specced Raspberry Pi. Only Raspberry Pi is somewhat special, because they target really inexperienced users and do a lot of babysitting in their forums.

A few of the cubieforums.com resident babysitters (who used to do a great job, btw) have gone, and now you think that the sky is falling. This is ridiculous. Most of the real linux-sunxi kernel development just happens elsewhere and has not slowed down even the slightest.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: Jojo on May 20, 2014, 03:45:54 am
What you say does not make much sense. It's kind of like asking about a solution for some generic software problem, but refusing to listen to other people unless their PC is exactly the same Dell model as yours :) Yes, some hardware related questions such as the schematic are indeed CB1/CB2/CT specific. But such questions are 1) very rare and 2) a lot of people in the linux-sunxi community have the same hardware and can help with this too (surprise, surprise).

I tried all the time to get your point. Everybody here is thankful for your help. But you instead branded my thoughts as sensless?! Completely unwilling to even understand what I mean or what problems might occure to the CB community, but answering with irony and sarcasm?! Inappropriate behavior for a serious discussion partner. Sorry, this conversation is over  :-X .

Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: Fuzzlix on May 20, 2014, 09:12:21 am
I think CB is lagging in kernel development
And this is based on what?
probably expirience?
You try to defend the curent state of the game and you do not accept there are still driver/firmware tasks open.
I as a bloody linux beginner expect
- a complete driver support. This includes a Xserver that supports any hardware acceleration aviable.
- flawless and documented firmware (wifi/BT chip for instance)
- full documented boot code
- hardware documentation in english but chinese (in case you want to sell your hardware outside china)

There is a german saying: "Meine Hand für mein Produkt". I expect the same point of view from any company i buy from ... or i never buy again.

You may accept it or ignore it. Its up to you.

Fuzzlix.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: rose28357 on May 20, 2014, 02:19:20 pm
A few of the cubieforums.com resident babysitters (who used to do a great job, btw) have gone, ...
I have been one of these babysitters for month. And i am even not a IT expert. After answering the 9th question about "how can i boot from sata" or "make xmbc with 1080p available" i became angry. Non of these guys put their efford to do some research but expect other to solve their problem.

Every body how buyes a develloper board should understand that he has to devellop his own knowledge by reading infomation. Maybe here in the forum or frome the wiki or by following the kernel upstream discussion on IRC or even reading the cubietech documents on their homepage.

Only few of them described their solution here. Many of the others just stated "problem solved" but didnt share their approach with the others. Ask your self what you have contributed to the community....
Regards
A frustrated forum member

P.S. Thumb up for ssvb
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: Tokka on May 20, 2014, 03:44:20 pm
Reading the topic, all i understand is that cubitech as no interest to improve all their products, but prefer to use the last product as base to develop the next more powerfull one, and so and so...
In this case, what SSVB said as a reason, to improve the new board are needed skilled peoples, not newbies or users wich only want to play with linux.
Looked in this optic, all have a sense. There is a good software base, linux-sunxi, and even if it is not well explained it is not important, coz skilled ppls knows how to use all that software.
There are only a couples of mistakes, imho:
1) 95-97% of cb buyers are not skilled (babysitter-needing) ppls, and if cubitech wants/needs to sell it's products, must show theme more respect and give theme a real full support for all the products, not only the last;
2) if peoples don't want to waste his time, and want a product wich works with no prolbems, no workarounds, and at full power, simply don't buy a develop board. Much better a mini-itx board with an atom and a full supported graphic/wifi/bt card....less work for all...developers may continue to develop without babysitting, and users may use their board without babysitters.
Easy, simple....and all live happy  ;D

Personally i bought a cb to replace my old nslu2, wich has only 32mb of ram and a 266mhz cpu, to use it as router and server; for mediacenter i bought a fanless mini itx, wich works great. For me have no sense to buy a powerfull cb than cb1. Overall because seems that Rpi now has a full hd working xbmc ;D

Cheers
Tk
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: cubieplayer on May 21, 2014, 11:06:01 am
I'm starting to doubt the philosophy of Cubietech. Of course, it is important to make improvements (like the upgrade from CB1 to CB2 for example). BUT:

Our community is still not very big. There are only a very few people who have the skills to develope things or share their distros with the rest of the "normal" members. Ikeeki has left (thanks for all!) and patwood has a lot of other things to do.

So, where the hell is the advantage to blast out one new board after another, when the OS developement process for the other boards is far away from being finished?! Don't you think that there is a reason, why there appear posts like "What is the best distro for..." or "Is it possible to..." almost every week?! There are so many questions in the forum which stay unanswered. The community is badly spread over different hardware with to many different OS.

What do you think people will do, when they see, that their boards are obselete one month after the bought it?! Do you think the will immediately by the newer one?! I don't think so. I will keep my "old" CB2.

I think I know the reason of success of boards like the RPi: it is ONE board, ONE community. Similar constellation for other boards. And even for other whole companies!

I can only speak for myself, but I feel some kind of fooled. It is already feelable, that the support for the CB1 and CB2 is running out. There is almost no compatibility between the boards, so if the developement process goes on for the newer boards (IF it goes on...) the older boards are obelete and the owners will be left behind.

I will NOT buy a CT or a CB4 or whatever. As long as my CB2 fulfills my needs, I will keep it.

Sorry for sharing my bad mood with you, but thats how it look like. If you don't agree, please show me a counter-example. Otherwhise I don't care  :-X .

Greetings
It's chinese's style. Let me tell you why. The point is they don't want to make a great product. They just want to make a lot of money, then leave.
Anyhow, My cubian will not drop support for cb1,cb2 and ct. Actually i made a lot of improvement on it recently. It will be released in middle June. I want to make a great OS for my boards.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: ponyatov on May 21, 2014, 02:19:45 pm
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I don't unterstand the Cubiebaord team and the company Allwinner behind this project. With the help of 2-3 full-time devloper most of the open problems (kernel development and graphic support) can be solved.
It's OpenSource, babe :)
Hardware is big scrap of problems, which can't be solved by redeyed linuxoid in garage, and big thanx to CT for great boards (i'm waiting on this one at snailmail).

If you powered up your coubieboard, it's your time now -- make it work totally, got manuals & datasheets on hardware, and read & patch kernel sources.

Or maybe crowdfund commercial kernel hackers group to make this thing better ? It's the variant.

In any way CB is development board for linux-way hackers and maybe component for OEM device manufactures, and we have only two ways: (1) do it yourself or (2) third-party commerical support.

ARMs race (ha ha 201х will be "ARMs race age" in IT :) of CT is limited by boards price.
Some 1-2 next generations will be monolythic, but nexts will be modular I think -- some
backbone plate with power source, DIMM sockets, and lot of modules -- A20 A31 A80 AF0
cpu module, HDMI, Eth1k, FPGA interface board, signal capture/senders, HW RAID, and so on.
Modularity lets divide total system price and let user buy only needed parts.

PS: where is subscription form on A80-based netbook ? It is possible to make it's price lower then $250 ?

PSS: still interested in wall-mount version of A10 (low power consumptions need) with touch screen (TFT or maybe e-ink) for linux wallclock...
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: lampra on May 22, 2014, 06:07:07 am
@ponyatov
Crowdfunding the mainlining effort of linux-sunxi (and/or patwood if he is interested) might be an interesting idea.
They could intensify their effort and we could have an up to date kernel with support.
Cubietech could also "contribute" to the crowdfunding.
 
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: actkk2000 on May 24, 2014, 12:55:26 pm
Seems pretty clear that people around here don't want a new cubieboard, but better and continued support for the existing ones...
The problem for me is that existing information is very scattered and difficult to find, and if you have little knowledge is frustrating not to find answers from the manufacturer ...  >:(
That's why I approached myself to this forum and fortunately I found helpful people here... Thx!

Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: AndiBcool on May 25, 2014, 08:17:48 pm


I have been one of these babysitters for month. And i am even not a IT expert. After answering the 9th question about "how can i boot from sata" or "make xmbc with 1080p available" i became angry. Non of these guys put their efford to do some research but expect other to solve their problem.

Every body how buyes a develloper board should understand that he has to devellop his own knowledge by reading infomation. Maybe here in the forum or frome the wiki or by following the kernel upstream discussion on IRC or even reading the cubietech documents on their homepage.

Only few of them described their solution here. Many of the others just stated "problem solved" but didnt share their approach with the others. Ask your self what you have contributed to the community....
Regards
A frustrated forum member

P.S. Thumb up for ssvb
Well i apreaciate any help and i also often say thank you to everyone that does help me.
However im a Noob when it comes to linux. I try to learn and search things up but often i only find instructions that are poorly written with missing parts. Then some instructions are outdated and wont work anymore or due the different OS/ Kernelversions there are also errors. Sometimes even urgend parts missing.
So its pretty hard in general for a newbie. I can fully understand people writing the same things again and again become angry. I can only say for my part i might ask some stupid questions but i also try share it and write it down to let others know.

As for buying a Cubietruck. Well i thought i buy one and can choose between a lot different working OS images. Actually i read here and there and it seems there is not one image that fully supports all of the hardware. Some have other issues too.
In general i applaude to everyone that developes and creates working images, they have my highest respect. As for the Cubietruck it could be some great hardware and in some way its already is depending on what you want to do with it.
But i also think Cubietech need some Kernel / Software developers for every board they release.
Dishing out new hardware and let the customers do all the work for softwaredeveloping is not the right way.     
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: rose28357 on May 26, 2014, 01:26:09 am
So its pretty hard in general for a newbie. I can fully understand people writing the same things again and again become angry. I can only say for my part i might ask some stupid questions but i also try share it and write it down to let others know.
then a thumbs up !
But i missed your engagement to find a solution by digging into the forum. That is the main problem. Most of the solutions are already there.

.... and we need a sort of a wiki to document them. The tips, tricks and Guides section was overloaded with questions.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: KlotzManDo on May 26, 2014, 10:53:39 am
So its pretty hard in general for a newbie. I can fully understand people writing the same things again and again become angry. I can only say for my part i might ask some stupid questions but i also try share it and write it down to let others know.
then a thumbs up !
But i missed your engagement to find a solution by digging into the forum. That is the main problem. Most of the solutions are already there.

.... and we need a sort of a wiki to document them. The tips, tricks and Guides section was overloaded with questions.
I vote for the WIKI document but only if it is moderated so the information in it is reliable.

<RANT>
Most of the answers in the forum are either not complete enough for a novice or assume way too much prior knowledge. This leads to a novice following instructions they expect to help them only to find that some important information was left out. Now they have to start all over, searching for help on the forum.  Asking what to some people seems like the same question all over again.
</Rant>

To put an end to the endless repeats, we need to make sure we have left no information out. If your answer assumes some prior knowledge, say so. Heck give the user a pointer to the information they require. Telling them to do another search may seem simple to you, but not to a user who is already frustrated from trying to find an answer. (In my opinion, "Let me google that for you" type answers only shows me that the writer doesn't have a clue how to do anything more than execute a search.)

If you know of a accurate tutorial, say so, then give a link. If the tutorial may have information that you know is misleading, it would help if you clarified that as well. For instance if they instruct the user to do something you know may cause problems say something like "at xxx you will be instructed to do yyy. This is misleading. You may find that by doing zzz it works better." If you know the answer and haven't found a good tutorial, write one and then refer to it. That kind of response shows that you know what you are talking about and care that they will be successful.

Heck, if you are going to put  URL as your answer, how about a synopsis so I know what the heck you are pointing to. (Most of the ones here seem like the author did nothing more that a keyword search, if that would have worked, they wouldn't have asked.) Any thing less is just showing off your ability to use <insert search engine of choice> not answering their question.

When someone asks for help again. Lets all assume that the answer we have already given was not clear or complete enough rather than assume that they are lazy.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: ssvb on May 26, 2014, 11:17:24 am
engagement to find a solution by digging into the forum. That is the main problem. Most of the solutions are already there.

.... and we need a sort of a wiki to document them. The tips, tricks and Guides section was overloaded with questions.
Well, the wiki is already available at http://linux-sunxi.org and contains a lot of useful information on different subjects. It is very actively maintained with lots of new additions happening every day. Nobody prohibits anybody from adding the cubie-specific information there (for the rare topics where it is justified and universal allwinner tips and tricks do not apply). Wiki is surely better structured than the forum and is easily searchable.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: rose28357 on May 27, 2014, 12:20:47 am
@KlotzManDo  i fully agree.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: Fuzzlix on May 27, 2014, 02:42:20 am
engagement to find a solution by digging into the forum. That is the main problem. Most of the solutions are already there.

.... and we need a sort of a wiki to document them. The tips, tricks and Guides section was overloaded with questions.
Well, the wiki is already available at http://linux-sunxi.org and contains a lot of useful information on different subjects. It is very actively maintained with lots of new additions happening every day. Nobody prohibits anybody from adding the cubie-specific information there (for the rare topics where it is justified and universal allwinner tips and tricks do not apply). Wiki is surely better structured than the forum and is easily searchable.
This wiki i a valuable source of information.
I hit one dificulty only: Sometimes a wiki page is a little bit older and the info was made for Cubitruck1 and does not fit A20 boards. I suggest to place a info on each wiki page showing the board type the info is valid for.

Fuzzlix.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: ssvb on May 27, 2014, 03:06:40 am
I hit one dificulty only: Sometimes a wiki page is a little bit older and the info was made for Cubitruck1 and does not fit A20 boards.
Can you provide an example of such a page? Let's see how difficult it would be to fix this.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: rgmhtt on May 29, 2014, 09:42:14 am
First, I am just actually starting with Cubieboard.  My first board, a C2, arrived and as soon as the HDMI/VGA adapter comes (today's mail hopefully) I can power up.  Or I will go to a local store and get a miniHDMA/HDMI adapter.

Anyway, I am a heavy Centos/Fedora user and am being pulled into Android development.  The C2 is a good starting platform for me, but I look forward to doing basic servers on CT.  As for this new board, I am all for it because it is ARMv8 and 64 bit (or so it seems).  And major Linux is getting more focused on 64bit.  RHEL 7 is 64 bit only.  Yes a Centos SIG will do a I686 port and from there a ARMv7 port, but it is clear that for a maor playing board, you HAVE to move on to 64 bit and that means the ARMv8.

I will continue to work with C2 and CT and Fedora/Redsleeve/Centos6 for some time.  But I welcome (provided the price point is good) this Ca80 board.

Now if I could only get a multi-port ethernet so I can build a router as well....

Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: ssvb on May 29, 2014, 10:26:01 am
As for this new board, I am all for it because it is ARMv8 and 64 bit (or so it seems).
Based on what we know (http://www.allwinnertech.com/en/clq/processora/A80.html), the A80 board is using a Cortex-A15+Cortex-A7 octa-core processor. Which means that it is a 32-bit ARMv7 hardware.

There are still no easily available 64-bit ARM devices on market other than iPhone :( Linaro and Red Hat reportedly have some X-GENE (http://www.apm.com/products/data-center/x-gene-family/x-gene/) boxes for 64-bit ARM testing, but they are in scarce availability and seriously overpriced.

But cheap Cortex-A53 based phones are going to become available from multiple vendors somewhere in 2015. We are going to have 64-bit hardware eventually.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: rgmhtt on May 29, 2014, 11:34:12 am
Well that stinks.  Somewhere in my limited reading, I got that the '8' in A80 was armv8, not 8 core.  :(

RHEL 7 is SUPPOSE to be developed for ARM, but the roadmap also says 64 bit only.  So there are serious limiters here.  Centos is doing their own ARM development and if I can swing a few cubieboards, I will join in.  They also have a SIG doing Centos 7 32bit.

For Allwinner to play against Intel on the desktop/laptop, they need affordable 64bit.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: salutuj on May 31, 2014, 03:56:46 am
1) USB 3.0
2) 8GB of RAM or more.
why 8G ram and usb3?
currently CB2 is not enough for me - I run svn server, vsftpd, lighttpd, mysqld, java (tomcat without any apps loaded so far) and some other services and they already take all available RAM + some swap. Mind it is headless. I want to run ore Java based services, I want to add continuous integration and I do not think 2GB of CT will be enough. 4GB? Maybe could do it  - 8GB better.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: ShPioN on May 31, 2014, 04:03:26 am
currently CB2 is not enough for me - I run svn server, vsftpd, lighttpd, mysqld, java (tomcat without any apps loaded so far) and some other services and they already take all available RAM + some swap.
are you sure that cubieboard is right choose of the platform for such services?:)
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: salutuj on May 31, 2014, 04:09:36 am
currently CB2 is not enough for me - I run svn server, vsftpd, lighttpd, mysqld, java (tomcat without any apps loaded so far) and some other services and they already take all available RAM + some swap.
are you sure that cubieboard is right choose of the platform for such services?:)
Well for personal + family use it is "about" ok. With little improvement as proposed it would be perfect I guess :-)
It was important to me to have hardware which is little, makes no noise and does not take much power.
Please, imagine that I used to run lighttpd, vsftpd, svn and mysql on Netgear WNR3500Lv2 = 128MB RAM (and lighttpd even on Linksys WRT54G before).
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: jiv on May 31, 2014, 08:59:19 am
those services should not take whole 1gb of ram. i have mysql, lighttpd, nginx, dlna, vftpd, samba, tomcat, rtorrent and it all takes ~350MB ram.
maybe u probably reading `free` wrong, post it here.
Title: Sceptics, go away :P
Post by: wanderer on June 01, 2014, 04:49:50 pm
I dont understand, why people could be so dissatisfied about Cubieboard+Allwinner partnership...

Recently, there was a crowd-funding campaign about open source laptop, Novena:
https://www.crowdsupply.com/kosagi/novena-open-laptop

Despite being too expensive and having mediocre technical specifications (not enough for 2015)
project successfully met the goal and even gathered 3x times more money than needed! $720,000

Now, just imagine that you would be able to create such open-source laptop by yourself:
just buy new CubieBoard with A80 SoC, order some cheap parts from AliExpress (display,
keyboard and case that would match, etc) And, you will have open-source netbook/laptop
which is much cheaper and YET has more advanced technical specifications than Novena ;)
Wonderful 64-bit octa-core ARMv8 SoC is many times better than years-old Cortex A9

That is just one possible application of CubieBoard! Just think of other possibilities....
Title: Re: Sceptics, go away :P
Post by: wanderer on June 01, 2014, 04:51:36 pm
I dont understand, why people could be so dissatisfied about Cubieboard+Allwinner partnership...

Recently, there was a crowd-funding campaign about open source laptop, Novena:
https://www.crowdsupply.com/kosagi/novena-open-laptop

Despite being too expensive and having mediocre technical specifications (not enough for 2015)
project successfully met the goal and even gathered 3x times more money than needed! $720,000

Now, just imagine that you would be able to create such open-source laptop by yourself:
just buy new CubieBoard with A80 SoC, order some cheap parts from AliExpress (display,
keyboard and case that would match, etc) And, you will have open-source netbook/laptop
which is much cheaper and YET has more advanced technical specifications than Novena ;)
Wonderful 64-bit octa-core ARMv8 SoC is many times better than years-old Cortex A9

That is just one possible application of CubieBoard! Just think of other possibilities....
Title: Re: Sceptics, go away :P
Post by: ssvb on June 01, 2014, 05:06:09 pm
Wonderful 64-bit octa-core ARMv8 SoC ...
... is not something that Allwinner A80 can offer.
Title: Re: Sceptics, go away :P
Post by: wanderer on June 01, 2014, 05:44:54 pm
... is not something that Allwinner A80 can offer.
Now I see that A80 is 32-bit , but A80 CubieBoard is still better in price/performance than Novena ;)
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: rose28357 on June 02, 2014, 02:51:32 am
Look here  for a arm acpu comparison including the A80
http://www.cnx-software.com/2014/05/21/comparison-nvidia-tegra-k1-samsung-exynos-5422-rockchip-rk3288-allwinner-a80/
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: discopig on June 18, 2014, 11:04:07 pm
Has there been any news concerning the pricing? I'm very curious how much they'll sell this for.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: rose28357 on June 19, 2014, 01:33:35 am
No news. Except this one here
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=96oForjx9fU
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: FR3D on June 20, 2014, 07:47:56 am
Hi guys,
I did a little research on the board and apparently the board will be use PowerVR G6230 (Rogue) which apparently have better kernel support and support 4k. good news? like most comment posted I totally  agree about how Cubietech doin their business with little to none software support (though their hardware is the best value you could find) but it still gives it a disadvantage because doesnt matter how good the hardware is the software cant execute it, it becomes no use. As of posting this I also find out that third party company had just made a base board for the Cubietruck finally. So now thankfully we have some support from third party. One question for kernel expert could the next model support windows?
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: rose28357 on June 20, 2014, 08:52:44 am
You are asking for Windows RT ??
Good question but Microsoft has to give the answer !!!!
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: ratin on June 20, 2014, 10:17:45 am
Hi guys,
I did a little research on the board and apparently the board will be use PowerVR G6230 (Rogue) which apparently have better kernel support and support 4k. good news? like most comment posted I totally  agree about how Cubietech doin their business with little to none software support (though their hardware is the best value you could find) but it still gives it a disadvantage because doesnt matter how good the hardware is the software cant execute it, it becomes no use. As of posting this I also find out that third party company had just made a base board for the Cubietruck finally. So now thankfully we have some support from third party. One question for kernel expert could the next model support windows?

Reading your post, I am confused, how does the baseboard help to fix day to day problems we find with the Cubieboards, the lack of support and long term stable operation of Cubie boards can only be guaranteed by a knowledgeable software team. What cubietech is doing is putting some reference designs thru fabs and calling it a product and let open source community figure out everything on their own, not spending a dime on the software development means most proceeds from sales becomes profits since manufacturing these boards probably minimal once you have the fabs infrastructure setup.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: FR3D on June 21, 2014, 04:46:45 am
You are asking for Windows RT ??
Good question but Microsoft has to give the answer !!!!
shouldnt they support it because the Surface is ARM-based too.

Hi guys,
I did a little research on the board and apparently the board will be use PowerVR G6230 (Rogue) which apparently have better kernel support and support 4k. good news? like most comment posted I totally  agree about how Cubietech doin their business with little to none software support (though their hardware is the best value you could find) but it still gives it a disadvantage because doesnt matter how good the hardware is the software cant execute it, it becomes no use. As of posting this I also find out that third party company had just made a base board for the Cubietruck finally. So now thankfully we have some support from third party. One question for kernel expert could the next model support windows?

Reading your post, I am confused, how does the baseboard help to fix day to day problems we find with the Cubieboards, the lack of support and long term stable operation of Cubie boards can only be guaranteed by a knowledgeable software team. What cubietech is doing is putting some reference designs thru fabs and calling it a product and let open source community figure out everything on their own, not spending a dime on the software development means most proceeds from sales becomes profits since manufacturing these boards probably minimal once you have the fabs infrastructure setup.
about the new base board it have features like gps and so forth does that mean that they only make the board and you have to figure things out and make your own program to use it?
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: sonomageek on June 23, 2014, 06:59:53 pm
I will add my voice to the others.   It is confusing to me what the business intentions of the Cubie folks are.  Are they selling a solution or a piece of hardware.   One the one hand they seem to talk about being focused at hobbyists or those looking for a cheap PC replacement and on the other they provide little or no support of the software that is needed to create a stable platform for either of those user/buyers.   If you look at the Pi offering (I had 4 of them at one time) there is great support and stable distros...but not much horsepower to work with.  But if you try to move up the h/w food chain to get more power then it seems you are pretty much on your own unless you are a full fledged Linux systems programmer who knows C.  I had a Cubietruck and sold it because I got frustrated with the flakey distros...moved to a Quad Wandboard and things got even worse...but at least those guy are honest about selling a h/w product to skilled developers...they term their website distros as "demos" and their product is sold thru major distributors who target the commercial developer community.

If Cubie would like to sell more product they need to address this...there are a lot  more application programmers out there who like to play with these boards than Linux system programmers.   If I boot up Ubuntu on my PC...everything works and I can spend my time writing application code instead of fussing with trying to find a patch or workaround for the distro I'm running.   There's a reason the Pi folks have sold so many units...and its not just because the price is $35.   I would have no problem ponying up lots more than that for the 8 core Cubieboard but I'm not going to be Charlie Brown trying to kick the football on the deal.   I don't think that rapid h/w upgrades are a good solution for flakey distros.   Cubie needs to figure out who they want to be when they grow up.   I don't believe relying on the good nature of some solo software engineer in the Cubie community who spends their nights generating a one-off version of Linux to post on the site is a winning business proposition for Cubie or their customers.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: FR3D on June 29, 2014, 04:09:58 am
Hi all,
I found out a new products also develop by people that started Cubieboard. I dont know what happened to the team but same people making to products? No wondering the community is not gettin support.
Check out this site ---> http://wiki.radxa.com/Rock/FAQ
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: rose28357 on June 29, 2014, 06:24:09 am
Radxa uses Rockchip SoC, so you can not apply allwinner sunxi linux. It also uses PowerVR instead of MALI.

For this reasons Ikeeki has dropped radxa Aruntu devellopment  http://cubiuntu.com/2014/06/27/updated-radxa-kofr-kind-of-review/
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: ponyatov on June 29, 2014, 01:42:29 pm
OpenSourse  thik (up to 20mm) 7"+ tablet for developers&geeks, large GPIO outside the case (under removable cover), gps, gsm, wifi, CAN bus, not blobbed generic linux kernel with all drivers opensource, with name llike Coubie OpenPandora, large battery for infield working (science, ecology, geological and laboratory equipment control)
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: FR3D on June 30, 2014, 04:15:20 am
update on the board...
I just checked out some pics of the prototype and it doesnt have sata. big disappointment :(
its here ---->https://www.flickr.com/photos/125001602@N03/sets/72157645370517326
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: rose28357 on June 30, 2014, 08:19:27 am
There is no picture of the back side. Some Boards hve their sata connector there. Most Drives are mounted under the board. You dont need to fiddle the kable around the board then.

The layout gives a hint that it is design for TV box settops. It needs SATA !!!
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: johndoe_71rus on June 30, 2014, 09:43:51 am
Why big SD card?
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: rose28357 on June 30, 2014, 11:12:16 am
Notebook have big SDCards ....

Cameras have big SDCards .... (Most importend for a multimedia device)

Big SDCards are available with UHS ll !!!!

Big SDCards can have higher storage capacity

Big SDCards size does not matter on the Cubieboard layout.

My big Fingers like to handle big SDCards !
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: Fuzzlix on June 30, 2014, 12:31:10 pm
...
Big SDCards size does not matter on the Cubieboard layout.
My big Fingers like to handle big SDCards !
Thats ok. And if someone wants to use micro-sd cards, he may use a adapter.

No sata would be a show stopper for me.

Fuzzlix.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: MikeV on June 30, 2014, 12:33:58 pm
Look at the picture named CC-A80-Sample5. You can find micro-SATA between SD card slot and USB.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: patap on June 30, 2014, 12:40:36 pm
Look at the picture named CC-A80-Sample5. You can find micro-SATA between SD card slot and USB.

It's usb3, not SATA.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: MikeV on June 30, 2014, 01:02:56 pm
Oops.. :-[
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: arrhenius on July 01, 2014, 05:53:18 am
http://www.cnx-software.com/2014/07/01/cubieboard-8-specs-pictures/


they say usb3 and not sata too


is cubieboard 8 lacking SATA? really?
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: rose28357 on July 01, 2014, 06:51:28 am
They have just read the picture of the cubieboard 8, but have not a official A80 specs.
So they concluded there is no SATA on the visual part of the Cubieboard 8.

I belief in Benn Huang who said there will be SATA. (until the first available boards disprove it.)

May be we should ask him direkt ?
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: Fuzzlix on July 01, 2014, 09:02:50 am
I belief in Benn Huang who said there will be SATA. (until the first available boards disprove it.)
May be we should ask him direkt ?
Why not. May be its a good idea to collect a few more interesting questions.

Fuzzlix.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: lampra on July 01, 2014, 05:03:38 pm
No sata, at least for the version on the photos, take a look at cubitech response here

http://cubieboard.org/2014/05/04/cubietech-will-promote-a80-high-performance-mini-pc/
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: rose28357 on July 01, 2014, 05:47:23 pm
But they said "no sata on this version"

I still have hope  :-X
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: DEVIL on July 03, 2014, 04:13:52 pm
Since there is a "daughter board" to it, or should I buy a controller EXTRA me immediately ... SHIT!

SATA

Since 300 Euros come together! Or should I convert an octa-core mobile phone to the server?

RAID...
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: FR3D on July 06, 2014, 11:18:01 pm
Its weird how a single core system can handle sata (the cubie1) yet a 8 core system dont hav sata.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: rose28357 on July 07, 2014, 12:16:50 am
Maybe it was desibned for Tablets. So no need for SATA?
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: MikeV on July 07, 2014, 12:42:06 am
Bad news....
A80 OptimusBoard also has no SATA. http://www.allwinnertech.com/en/developer/board/
I cant't find any mention about SATA in the description of the A80 proc/ http://www.allwinnertech.com/en/clq/processora/A80.html
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: Montala on July 07, 2014, 10:57:38 am
As has been said earlier, I wish they would spend a bit more time supporting the boards they have already released, such as the Cubieboard2 and the Cubietruck, and concentrate on providing some reliable and updated 'distros' and software, instead of releasing yet another board, which appears to be lacking at least one preferred option!
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: Celillo on July 10, 2014, 10:01:02 am
Bad news....
Yes, bad news.  :(  But the choice is easy for me: if it does not have SATA, I do not buy.  :-\
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: rose28357 on July 10, 2014, 11:36:24 am
More ideas for hope : maybe thay add a usb3 to SATA converter to the board ?

Besides the other problem with drivers for PowerVR i also will not buy a boad without SATA!
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: FR3D on July 26, 2014, 06:39:19 am
would cubie get better support if they join up with yocto project? they seem to be really good.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: MikeV on August 14, 2014, 10:03:43 pm
First OptimusBoards A80 are found....
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/4K-2K-30fps-Video-Playback-ARM-Octa-Core-Allwinner-A80-OptimusBoard/2015663171.html
But price :(
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: FR3D on August 15, 2014, 09:48:06 pm
First OptimusBoards A80 are found....
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/4K-2K-30fps-Video-Playback-ARM-Octa-Core-Allwinner-A80-OptimusBoard/2015663171.html
But price :(
way too pricey and even doesnt even have sata
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: ThunderBRZ on August 18, 2014, 08:29:20 pm
Nothing new?
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: actkk2000 on August 19, 2014, 02:18:27 pm
You may do follow up here:
http://cubieboard.org/2014/05/04/cubietech-will-promote-a80-high-performance-mini-pc/

Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: rose28357 on August 19, 2014, 04:22:32 pm
Or this cubietech page. It says that the A80 does currently not support sata. That sounds like it will support SATA in the Future.

http://cubieboard.org/2014/08/12/how-to-choose-the-storage-media-in-cubieboard/
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: athouston on August 20, 2014, 08:02:37 pm
I don't think no SATA port is a problem. USB 3.0 external hard drives are readily available and very cheap. So that assumes USB 3.0 on the A80 board.

HDMI is a must. How else are we going to use the awesome graphics capability. The 3D mockups show a VGA connector. Sorry guys, that's not going to cut the mustard - that's like putting a hip pocket on your singlet (undershirt).

I already have a multi-parallel project system based on 12 4 core iMX.6 TV sticks and am looking for a low cost alternative for the next version. I am hoping the A80 scrubs up.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: richdotward on August 21, 2014, 07:56:00 am
The sata port was the main reason I went for a cubietruck last month.  Nice how it slots under it with miniminal wires.  Would of brought something else ....

Rich

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: jiv on August 22, 2014, 08:50:38 am
I also went for CB2 cause of SATA. If i wanted to use USB port for HDD i could get any other ARM board i wanted. Exynos ones are much faster..

So no SATA -  no deal.  :P
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: FR3D on August 23, 2014, 11:25:17 pm
not sure if y'all check out this page http://cubieboard.org/2014/08/22/this-is-the-true-face-of-ct-has-now-come-true/ (http://cubieboard.org/2014/08/22/this-is-the-true-face-of-ct-has-now-come-true/) has a really cool case for the next board but no SATA = no buy for me.

Or this cubietech page. It says that the A80 does currently not support sata. That sounds like it will support SATA in the Future.

http://cubieboard.org/2014/08/12/how-to-choose-the-storage-media-in-cubieboard/
I think by the time the chip is supported there would be a new chip out.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: thedoche on August 28, 2014, 01:55:22 am
Same for me, I went for CB2 for it SATA port, I was hoping for SATA on the CB8 :( Too bad, I hope they will add this feature in the future, I guess it is possible ?
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: rgmhtt on August 28, 2014, 11:09:55 am
They have to think about who their buyers are and what market they want to appeal to.  Are most doing things with Android and really don't care about Sata?  They want to do cool things with cubie connected to a TV?

Or are they in the server/workstation market with Redhat/Ubuntu/Debian?

How will the C8 stack up ot the Wandboard Quad?  At least that has F21 video drivers already.  In fact, Redhat says no video on Allwinner socs until F22 (no video support even in SunXi 3.17 [F21 'frozen' at 3.16] and no indication of any activity on website or uboot list).

Did I choose wrong with cubie and allwinner?
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: FR3D on August 29, 2014, 03:17:58 am
allwiner is partly for the blame. they roll out the octa core that doesnt support sata so cubie cant do much about that unless they change socs.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: l0rdraiden on August 29, 2014, 02:52:13 pm
What is the advantage of SATA vs USB3?

In other words why you don't even consider to buy this board if it doesn't have SATA?
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: rose28357 on August 30, 2014, 03:29:28 am
It is mostly a design problem. Becaus all USB connectors point to the outside of the board. A SATA connector is mad vor internal use. If you want to have a realy smal housing SATA gives some advantages.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: DocJoness on September 17, 2014, 09:24:10 am
I have a cubietruck but i I need a more powerful arm board.

when cubietech A80 will be avaliable ?
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: DocJoness on September 19, 2014, 03:58:28 am
Not yet  cubietech release date ?
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: FR3D on September 20, 2014, 09:41:13 pm
Not yet  cubietech release date ?
probably be soon. I wouldnt call it the cubie series as it doesnt have a sata port like its ancestors does.
btw have anyone seen this (http://docs.cubieboard.org/_media/cb2-2card-logo.jpg?w=600&tok=f00554)?
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: @lex on September 21, 2014, 11:25:07 am
Very interesting, where did you get one of this?
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: MikeV on September 23, 2014, 05:49:00 am
Very interesting, where did you get one of this?
http://eleduino.com/products_ny_129.html
http://store.r0ck.me/products/cubieboard2-dual-mirco-sd-card-version
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: ToaoF999 on October 28, 2014, 07:18:24 pm
Hi there,


If nobody has seen that, le CC-A80 aka cubieboard 4 is listed on taobao for shipping le 30th of october http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.1.ca3S69&id=41701287540 (http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.1.ca3S69&id=41701287540)
The price should be around 100€

Ressources start appearing on cubieboard.org http://dl.cubieboard.org/software/a80/ (http://dl.cubieboard.org/software/a80/)

and also a docs section http://docs.cubieboard.org/tutorials/cc-a80/start (http://docs.cubieboard.org/tutorials/cc-a80/start)

Specs (final?):

- SoC – AllWinner A80 octa core 4x Cortex A15 @ 2.0GHz,  4x Cortex A7 @ 1.3GHz, and Imagination PowerVR G6200 GPU
- System Memory : 2GB DDR3
- Storage : 8GB eMMC (25MB/s read and write speed), micro SD Card slot
- Video Output – HDMI 1.4, and VGA
- Audio:  I/O – HDMI, 2x 3.5mm audio jacks for audio output and microphone
- Connectivity :  Gigabit Ethernet, dual band Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n up to 300 Mbps + Bluetooth 4.0 (AP6330 module)
- USB : 4x USB 2.0 host ports, 1x Micro-B USB 3.0 port
- Debugging : UART and JTAG (4 pins on top left of battery slot)
- Expansion Header : 20-pin header with 2x UART, 3x I2C, GND, and VCC (5V)
- Misc : IR receiver, RTC + battery slot, 2x user LEDs, 1x power LED, 3 push buttons for power, reset, and reboot (FEL).
- Power : 5V/2.5A, USB 3.0, or 3.7V LiPo battery
- Dimensions : 146x142mm[/li][/list]
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: nim on October 29, 2014, 11:50:54 am
I'm waiting for this one since the first announcement. S-ATA would have been great, but I can live without it for my usecase. But I have to admit, that I'm a bit disappointed that it only has 2GB RAM.
I hoped that it will come with 4GB, since even the CubieTruck already got 2GB...
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: nim on October 30, 2014, 11:15:48 am
price @ taobao has been adjusted from  ¥640.00 to  ¥799.00...
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: DocJoness on October 30, 2014, 11:19:28 am
that-s good news,  im waiting for this powerfull arm board.
if enought powerfull and have good linux distribuition, it will be my desktop pc substitute.
No sata port, but It have a 1x 3.0 usb,  hard disk transfer speed will not be a problem.

Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: nim on November 01, 2014, 09:01:50 am
price down to ¥699.00. anyone seen it in stock @ any european seller yet?
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: Celillo on November 03, 2014, 07:07:05 am
And why is not it announced in the cubieboard.org web?
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: DocJoness on November 03, 2014, 09:54:18 am
not released date yet....
no official info..


Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: FR3D on November 05, 2014, 02:07:07 am
By the look of it it properly has been released on the Chinese site. This board is not a dev board like it successors.
http://cubie.cc/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=3404&extra=&page=1
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: actkk2000 on November 05, 2014, 07:29:41 am
I like the subtitle under cubie.cc (it says f... cool!)  :P See translation here:
https://translate.google.com.ar/translate?hl=es&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fcubie.cc%2Fforum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D3404%26extra%3D%26page%3D1

(http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k406/actkk2000/Cubietruck/cc-a80_zps93ce6dac.jpg) (http://s326.photobucket.com/user/actkk2000/media/Cubietruck/cc-a80_zps93ce6dac.jpg.html)
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: DocJoness on November 06, 2014, 01:47:39 pm
avaliable in tobao

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=41758392873
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: beerstein on November 06, 2014, 04:46:48 pm
How can we get our hands on it here in US?
Sad that taobao only has a chinese website.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: nim on November 06, 2014, 05:29:55 pm
i guess all we can do is wait. maybe it'll arrive mid to end of nov. in US & EU.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: beerstein on November 06, 2014, 05:32:45 pm
OK if somebody finds out when and where we can buy one, please post here.
thank you so much
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: ToaoF999 on November 06, 2014, 07:06:44 pm
Seems there is ways to buy on taobao if you don't want to wait...

Have a look for "taobao assits" or "taobao agent" on google search...
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: logicerror on November 07, 2014, 04:46:40 am
Has anyone tried a Cubieboard 4 yet? Is it stable?
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: ToaoF999 on November 07, 2014, 07:06:07 am
When you read cubie.cc forum, using Google translate, seems that thete are suite some issues actually...
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: nim on November 11, 2014, 12:22:18 pm
https://www.newit.co.uk/shop/Cubieboard/Cubieboard4

they show it's in stock!
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: DocJoness on November 12, 2014, 03:11:43 pm
Wow. 167€? Thats too much
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: ToaoF999 on November 13, 2014, 05:08:47 pm
Suite expensive and not so Much what i call "in stock"...
Expecting delivery late 2014 - Available for pre Order!!
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: DocJoness on November 14, 2014, 09:59:15 am
Do you think that cubietech a80 will be better than odroid ux3 www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G140448267127 ?
Seems that ux3 have gpu hardware aceleration under ubuntu.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: vlotho on November 14, 2014, 02:30:24 pm
interesting but too expensive, like cubieboard4
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: Celillo on November 15, 2014, 07:28:51 am
The Lite model of ODROID-XU3 is cheaper, it costs 99$: http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G141351880955 The problem for me is that both ODROID models have only 10/100Mbps Ethernet LAN.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: ToaoF999 on November 15, 2014, 06:53:48 pm
And cubox-i4pro is on sales actually for $140  8)
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: FR3D on November 16, 2014, 07:06:51 am
found this: http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/Cubie-Singleboard-Computer-Octa-core-A80-p-2157.html?cPath=122_112
doesnt really interest the a80 no development ports like lvds, uart and sata.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: Celillo on November 17, 2014, 12:35:19 pm
To me what more worries me, apart from not having SATA port, is that it could need a cooler for the SoC. I do not want noises in a SBC.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: FR3D on November 17, 2014, 11:26:42 pm
To me what more worries me, apart from not having SATA port, is that it could need a cooler for the SoC. I do not want noises in a SBC.
True though. Since the new cubie is 8 cores it might need something that release heat. Though I think 8 cores for a SBC is overkill not many desktop even have 8 cores.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: ryba84 on November 18, 2014, 11:50:42 am
A80 has 8 cores, but only 4 of them work at a time(4xCortexA15 or 4xCortexA7 for low power consumption).
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: Celillo on November 19, 2014, 01:13:15 pm
A80 has 8 cores, but only 4 of them work at a time(4xCortexA15 or 4xCortexA7 for low power consumption).

When it uses the A15 and when does it use the A7?
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: ryba84 on November 19, 2014, 02:21:14 pm
It depends on system load. It uses A15 when more computing power is needed, and uses A7 to lower power consumption when idle.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: Celillo on November 20, 2014, 04:51:47 am
OK. That is to say, It has 8 cores, but in the practice It works always with 4 cores (uses A15 or uses A7) but never both at the same time.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: ToaoF999 on November 20, 2014, 09:57:21 am
If you want to know more about BIG.little architecture, the wiki is quite good (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_big.LITTLE)

And that not exactly as quote as the A80 is a big.LITTLE HMP (GTS) (http://withimagination.imgtec.com/powervr/allwinner-ultraocta-a80-processor-packs-powervr-series6-gpu-64-cores)
So, the 8 cores should be usable...

If it was a MP arch, low power will use A7, high power will use A15 like if we got 2x4-cores...and won't use it alltogether.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: Celillo on November 20, 2014, 11:22:45 am
Thanks you for the info.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: apux64 on November 25, 2014, 07:12:48 am
Dear All,

i've just seen that the board is available at Amazon.de for EUR 195,00.

Marry Christmas  ;)
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: ToaoF999 on November 25, 2014, 10:29:21 am
way too expensive....!!!
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: slovenia on November 26, 2014, 07:00:11 am
way too expensive....!!!

150 EUR
http://embeddedcomputer.nl/cubieboard-4.html#.VHW-UouG8wB

I got mine with shipping in 4 days via normal post. 

It's working :) That's all I can say for now. Only spend few moments with it.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: @lex on November 26, 2014, 07:55:47 am
Hi Slovenia,

Please, keep us informed how it goes and how open it is and how stable is with a "new fresh img compiled with the SDK".

@lex
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: DocJoness on November 26, 2014, 12:18:11 pm
150 EUR
http://embeddedcomputer.nl/cubieboard-4.html#.VHW-UouG8wB

I got mine with shipping in 4 days via normal post. 

It's working :) That's all I can say for now. Only spend few moments with it.

it's in preorder ! or out of stock !
http://embeddedcomputer.nl/cubieboard/cubieboard8.html#.VHYK44uG98E
must add 15/25€ for shipping.
result  170€ , too expensive again.

waiting best deal.

Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: NewGuy885 on November 28, 2014, 02:10:48 pm
So how are the open-source drivers for the "PowerVR G6230" comming along... wait don't tell me you don't have any and it's going to be another useless GPU. that doesn't run very well under linux or offers no usable  Hardware accelerated decoding on Linux like the A20's Mali.  Also anything above $130(not €) is too much based on these specs
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: embeddedcomputer on November 30, 2014, 07:47:18 am
150 EUR
http://embeddedcomputer.nl/cubieboard-4.html#.VHW-UouG8wB

I got mine with shipping in 4 days via normal post. 

It's working :) That's all I can say for now. Only spend few moments with it.

it's in preorder ! or out of stock !
http://embeddedcomputer.nl/cubieboard/cubieboard8.html#.VHYK44uG98E
must add 15/25€ for shipping.
result  170€ , too expensive again.

waiting best deal.

We also think pricing for embedded boards like the Cubieboard 4 are too high. We see the same happen for the new FireFly RK3288.  If possible we will lower our selling price.

The first new batch should be available in Europe second half january 2015
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: DocJoness on December 04, 2014, 03:48:57 am
Now i'm considering another low power and inexpensive alternatives  like  minix z64, zotac PI320,  or zotac ci320.

The ci320 is a like Dream,  sata, usb3, wifi, bt4 , gigabit, IR , up  to 8gb Ram, win8 / linux, etc

May be intel Z3735F or intel N2930 its more powerfull  than  A80?
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: actkk2000 on December 04, 2014, 07:58:13 am
Yeap, they look very good, although prices are very similar...   :)
But I don't know if people here would choose Windows over Linux... :-\
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: ThunderBRZ on December 05, 2014, 07:26:44 am
And this :

http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6387242521.html

Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: vlotho on December 05, 2014, 08:37:48 am
more interesting and transmart draco have a sata port.
http://www.cnx-software.com/2014/11/07/tronsmart-draco-aw80-unboxing/
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: ToaoF999 on December 05, 2014, 11:51:43 am
Really? when i read that i don't feel interested:
"GPU is Imagination : no GPU support in linux.
VPU has not 265/HEVC capability …."
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: MrDialUp on December 11, 2014, 08:06:50 am
The Cubietruck was priced correctly for what it was.   At $150, these new A80 boards are double the price of an Intel J1900 board.  For the most part, if it's Intel it's probably well supported with drivers and therefore Linux distributions.   If the builders like Cubie expect to sell any of these, they better get the price down to somewhere below $100 or people will just go either with a RasPi on the cheap side or with an Intel or AMD board on the high side.  And if the new A80 boards don't have a stable stock Android build out of the box, well that will be unforgivable.  Lack of a stable Android release for A20 was the main reason I sold my Cubietruck.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: actkk2000 on December 13, 2014, 02:08:11 pm
Info and downloads already available at cubieboard.org:
http://cubieboard.org/model/cb4/
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: slovenia on December 13, 2014, 04:12:21 pm
Info and downloads already available at cubieboard.org:
http://cubieboard.org/model/cb4/

Yes, but you can't help much with it.  :-\

You can run either stock Android or desktop Debian / Ubuntu with I guess same kernel which sources are part of the SDK. I was not able to compile it with default settings on Ubuntu 14.10 ... Maybe I did some lame mistake. Don't know. There are also no sources for boot manager or I am blind.

Basic support is also promised in next mainline kernel (3.19) & probably booting with mainline u-boot?

Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: ToaoF999 on December 15, 2014, 06:39:52 pm
Hi there,

For the high price of Cubie A80... would definetly prefer to watch on the side of hardkernel's ODROID-C1...Seems very nice to play with, and only 35$!!  8)
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: actkk2000 on December 16, 2014, 08:01:35 am
Good! ;D
But still no Sata...  :(
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: ToaoF999 on December 17, 2014, 05:41:55 am
yep, but many USB, so, i thinks i could deal with a USB drive... ;-)
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: nim on December 17, 2014, 02:48:41 pm
does anyone know if it's possible to boot from USB3?
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: DocJoness on December 17, 2014, 05:20:00 pm
The new odroid C1 sems more powerful than cubieboard 3 A20, but, will be  more powerful than new a80 ?



Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: null on December 18, 2014, 01:57:06 pm
Amlogic doesn't supported by linux kernel. It is just closed source crap like Rockchip, MTK, etc...
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: ToaoF999 on December 18, 2014, 02:09:01 pm
Amlogic doesn't supported by linux kernel. It is just closed source crap like Rockchip, MTK, etc...

?
On odroid-c1? Apparently, ubuntu 14.04 runs well on it??
What are the issue you're talking about.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: nim on December 22, 2014, 08:44:09 am
well, since the cb4 isn't available anywhere in europe (and it's listed around $199 on other sites), i'm currently thinking about buying the nvidia tegra k1 dev kit. any suggestions?
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: phelum on December 22, 2014, 08:35:19 pm
well, since the cb4 isn't available anywhere in europe (and it's listed around $199 on other sites), i'm currently thinking about buying the nvidia tegra k1 dev kit. any suggestions?

I bought a Jetson TK1 recently because I wanted a board with full OpenGL support.  It works well but it's not cheap and I had to order one from NewEgg because there is no local stock.  I still like my Cubietrucks for most tasks.  The Jetson does have more grunt and graphics capabilities.

Cheers,
Steven
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: nim on December 27, 2014, 08:22:54 pm
thx for your reply. in the meantime, i found another board which might be interesting: http://radxa.com/Rock/prebuilt_images

quad-core A9, 2GB RAM etc. but unfortunately also no sata or even usb3.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: ToaoF999 on December 27, 2014, 09:19:16 pm
About Raxda (wich is also a Tom Cubie's board) i discuss about it with ikeeki.
And it's quite different from cubieboard (different chips and kernel) and there is less people using it..
So he concluded:
- for use as server (no vdpau, minus usb integration....)
- android dev board...
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: FR3D on December 28, 2014, 06:11:56 am

We also think pricing for embedded boards like the Cubieboard 4 are too high. We see the same happen for the new FireFly RK3288.  If possible we will lower our selling price.

The first new batch should be available in Europe second half january 2015
No sata?
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: ToaoF999 on December 28, 2014, 08:46:13 am

We also think pricing for embedded boards like the Cubieboard 4 are too high. We see the same happen for the new FireFly RK3288.  If possible we will lower our selling price.

The first new batch should be available in Europe second half january 2015
No sata?

Yep, there is no sata...

But, you could use a USB->SATA adaptater...
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: pingvincible on January 26, 2015, 03:37:31 am
HI everyone! I have a A80 cubieboard and i'm trying to install linux on it. I'm using win32diskimager to put image to sd card. What should i do after that? When I insert card into board and turn it on, nothing happens.

I'm using this image: linaro-cb4-card-vga-v0.3.img.

Installation guide didn't give me any solution.

Any help will be appreciated.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: nim on January 31, 2015, 06:05:23 am
HI everyone! I have a A80 cubieboard and i'm trying to install linux on it. I'm using win32diskimager to put image to sd card. What should i do after that? When I insert card into board and turn it on, nothing happens.

I'm using this image: linaro-cb4-card-vga-v0.3.img.

Installation guide didn't give me any solution.

Any help will be appreciated.

where did you buy it? It's still nowhere available in my region. And my comment on the mainpage is still awaiting moderation (made the post @ january.9.)
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: slovenia on January 31, 2015, 06:33:12 am
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where did you buy it? It's still nowhere available in my region. And my comment on the mainpage is still awaiting moderation (made the post @ january.9.)

I got mine @ http://embeddedcomputer.nl/
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: nim on January 31, 2015, 10:26:02 am
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where did you buy it? It's still nowhere available in my region. And my comment on the mainpage is still awaiting moderation (made the post @ january.9.)

I got mine @ http://embeddedcomputer.nl/

Availability: Out of stock

:/ also, i hope it will be cheaper when it's available on a few more shops.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: premoboss on February 11, 2015, 07:24:46 am
the question should not be "what do you want more" but should be "what do you want less".

To me, cubieboard (1 & 2) has a perfect form factor (60x100 mm) but i understood that more power can be needed.

Nice to me will be upgrade of CPU, (maybe a 4 core?) but foundamental is to AVOID ABSOLUTELY passive dissipartors or - worse - fan for forced air recycle.

to me, the key point od a embedded board as cubieboard is the not need of dissipator/fan. A20 is borderline because it can get too much hot than i wish, so we should do pressure on ALLWINNER to do A20 with less nanometric geometry to make A20 more fresh at same clock speed.

All board that force end user to adopt fan will never get in my house:
All board that need of passive dissipator is VERY bordeline to make me to refuse a board.

for these reasons Cubieboard A10 is my favourite board.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: cyberluke on February 13, 2015, 03:18:22 am
Well, I have i7 hexa core and R9 290x with a lot of fans, so one fan is not a problem for me :-) ...me as a user need big processing power on a small PCB :-)
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: Celillo on February 14, 2015, 10:23:39 am
All board that force end user to adopt fan will never get in my house:
All board that need of passive dissipator is VERY bordeline to make me to refuse a board.
for these reasons Cubieboard A10 is my favourite board.

I agree absolutely. A board that need a fan does noise and consumes more and it is inadmissible for me. I have several boards (RasPi, CB, ODROID) and the CB A10 is the best of all. I have it 24/7 connected and it works perfectly without dissipator or fan.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: Anjin on February 16, 2015, 09:00:14 am
Note that the CB4 requires 4 amps @ 5v.  Perhaps it can do with less, but thats the specs.  I have had multiple SBC's get flaky without proper power to hold the fort.

For booting, I fetched the current image, and simply DD'ed to an SD card.  This is not a great way of deploying an OS, but it does boot it up.

dd if=linaro-cb4-card-vga-v0.3.img of=/dev/diskX bs=1024

Todo things properly, you really want to review: 

http://docs.cubieboard.org/how_to_make_a_sd_image_from_sd_bootable_os

Cheers
Anjin
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: cyberluke on March 05, 2015, 07:35:50 am
Why is everybody posting in this thread, whereas there is A80 subforum? Does 3d acceleration work for you? Glxgears works for me, but I have issues with missing MESA/DRI driver. On Sunxi A20 there is some libump package, which provides this. Because of that no Java application can use 3d acceleration and I get exception in Processing 2.0 for example.
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: dsa13dsa on March 24, 2015, 08:40:35 am
How to install Android firmware from cubieboard 4 on tronsmart draco or rikomagic mk80? Is it posible?
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: cubieboard_user12123 on March 28, 2015, 03:50:28 pm
usb 3.0 not working
wifi still has problems
xorg driver uses 1,3 gb of ram.
max available ram are 1.6 not 2,0..

for me this thing is useless...
bad hardware...

i will buy another hardware and sell my cubie

who wants it ??

i sell it for 100 Euro. I bought it for 200..

mail me !!! thx
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: neutronspin on May 14, 2015, 02:43:35 pm
usb 3.0 not working
wifi still has problems
xorg driver uses 1,3 gb of ram.
max available ram are 1.6 not 2,0..

for me this thing is useless...
bad hardware...

i will buy another hardware and sell my cubie

who wants it ??

i sell it for 100 Euro. I bought it for 200..

mail me !!! thx

I agree...Also the support is terrible.  I have just tested it and my smart phone is better.  The Linux support is marginal at best. 
HDHomeRun in Android works but you must set video to use software decoding....hardware decoding does not work for some reason using XBMC app.
For an android box using their firmware it performs fine but Linaro needs more work to make it useable.... 
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
Post by: cyberluke on May 19, 2015, 06:31:13 am
I have evaluated Phoenix A20, Firefly and CC-A80. They have released v1.0 of Linaro. I was able to play Quake 3 on it :-) ...have you tested this one? For me it seems everything has been solved.

Do you know any other ARM board with Linux, where 2D and 3D acceleration is working out of the box? Firefly should have Mali drivers like 2 months ago and still nothing (they are waiting on ARM for better binary driver blob). There was some thoughts that PowerVR is bad decision, but they have implemented working HW decoding in VLC and working 3d acceleration faster than with ARM bureaucracy :-D

Wifi is working for me as well in v1.0 (had some problems on v0.4).

And CC-A80 is sold for 100 EUR in new condition ;-) ...I would buy it for 50 EUR from you using your price logic (half of the price)
Title: Re: CubieTech A80 High-performance Mini PC discussions
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